', 'Never forget what you are, for surely the world will not. That's a good point but it's possible Robb's performance in the war won him over. Umbers would have been included this these were marriages of three Lord Paramounts (Baratheon, Stark, Tully); it was a high status wedding. They had all been under the rule of the Iron Throne for three hundred years - for comparison, the United States of America has been independent for 240 years. “It is no matter to them if the high lords play their game of thrones, so long as they are left in peace.' I know its fun to come up with theories and twists to the story, but sometimes things are exactly as they appear. We know this because his son, Littlejon Umber … This is the third time they have been dragged south because of Iron Throne in the past 16 years. Read at your own risk.

', 'Death is so terribly final, while life is full of possibilities. Either Robb loses a bunch of battles because he's a fifteen year old kid who had the initiative through sheer luck and is humbled for it, or Robb somehow wins and Greatjon, as one of Robb's "most loyal" allies, is heavily rewarded for it (likely perceiving it as just compensation for losing his fingers).

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That's always how I've read that scene.

It costs money to keep this blog running. Theon’s family are back at the forefront and the show is returning to its Northern roots for Season Six. Book readers will know that, like House Martell last year, House Greyjoy are dragged into the on-going war in Westeros, but must face their own inner-power struggles as the extended Greyjoy family all vie for power. 'We are only human, and the gods have fashioned us for love. The opinions, posts, photos, and written materials expressed herein are ours and ours alone. The Umber kid is named Ned, he's the head of his house now that Great Jon Umber died in the Battle of the Bastards. There are two Jon Umbers: the head of house Umber (“Greatjon”), and his son (“Smalljon”). Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. 'They never are.'. Enter your email address to subscribe to our blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. It makes very little sense that they wouldn't just keep arguing about whether to support Stannis or Renly. I used to know the name of the extra who plays her in Season One. Maybe the Greatjon was using his low cunning to pretend to be Robb's ally to get revenge for his permanently mutilated hand, forcing Robb into a politically impossible situation of declaring independence while also trying to control the Riverlands. So, when the crown seriously fucks up and crosses a glaringly bright line by killing their beloved Stark (the family that the North has looked to for leadership for 10k years), it was easy to say "Remind me again why we give a fuck about these Southron douches?". ( Log Out /  Will House Umber help Sansa following her escape from the malicious Ramsay Bolton? Greatjon Umber was absent at the Red Wedding, but died before the events of Game of Thrones Season 6. The Umbers are loyal bannerman to the Starks and in the chaos of the succession the idea of going their own way and having their own kingdom to worry about I think is super appealing. ', 'A ruler who hides behind paid executioners soon forgets what death is. Game of Thrones’ return to our screens is longer than Jon Snow’s (still) coiffed curls, but casting news is starting to trickle down as the show begins shooting preliminary scenes for its sixth season (SPOILS!). He gave a shrug. Roose Bolton said that the Umbers still practice First Night, and I remember someone (I forget who) describing the Umbers as possessing a form of low cunning. Then it can never be your weakness. The first time, thousands dead starting with: Their grandfather, old Lord Rickard, had gone as well, with his son Brandon who was Father's brother, and two hundred of his best men. Robert Baratheon - 6'6" (as estimated by Ned Stark) Khal Drogo - unclear (Spoilers ADWD) Greatjon Umber and Robb Stark. I wonder if this is a case of the show influencing how we read the characters in the book. The Iron Islands, home of the Greyjoys and the ironborn, Readers' favourite lines from Game of Thrones, Game Of Thrones season 6 casts key figures for House Umber and, You may not agree with our views, or other users’, but please respond to them respectfully, Swearing, personal abuse, racism, sexism, homophobia and other discriminatory or inciteful language is not acceptable, Do not impersonate other users or reveal private information about third parties, We reserve the right to delete inappropriate posts and ban offending users without notification.

What makes the twists fun is they are unexpected and not over done. But I can’t help but wonder whether or not this means that the Umbers will be gone from the series entirely. Smalljon is the son of Greatjon Umber, whose house is loyal to the Starks. Those probably explain why the North had never been mentioned participating in the wars that followed. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. The good news is that now filming has begun, and characters are being cast left and right, we’ll start to get a clearer picture of what Season Six will look like.

Perhaps this is what allowed Benioff and Weiss to ignore the capture of his character that takes place in the books during the Red Wedding.

Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. In Book Five they play a not insignificant role (as do the Karstarks) in the fighting in the North as winter starts to set in. Smalljon is the son of Greatjon Umber, whose house is loyal to the Starks. I'd actually completely forgotten that they did that with Smalljon in the show.

And after he died the word was that his kids were illegitimate and that a boy king under the thumb of a southron family had in fact imprisoned Ned ("The Others take the Lannisters too, I've had a bellyful of them"). Make it your strength.

Learn how your comment data is processed. The Greatjon is the kind of guy who would respect someone who backs up his words with action, even a direwolf attack.

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85. Obviously he hadn't anticipated the Red Wedding, nor that he would be captured nor that his son would be killed, but if someone ordered their giant wolf to bite off your fingers and you came up with an ingenious way to put them in a terrible position, wouldn't you try it?

Due to the sheer scale of this comment community, we are not able to give each post the same level of attention, but we have preserved this area in the interests of open debate. ( Log Out /  ', 'If you would take a man’s life, you owe it to him to look into his eyes and hear his final words.

It allows our most engaged readers to debate the big issues, share their own experiences, discuss real-world solutions, and more. The time seemed ripe to rebel against the Iron Throne, to gain back independence.
Besides, his devotion showed during the red wedding. It makes plenty of sense they'd rather return to independence when the opportunity arose, which it did. Press J to jump to the feed. The third casting news doesn’t provide a name, but is looking for a ‘rugged pirate’ in his thirties. He was a chorister in St. John's choir, Cambridge for four years, and a member of the National Youth Theatre for five years, appearing in a total of eleven productions.

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His character wouldn't be unique then. Please ask a parent before calling. Besides, as others have said, the North basically was independent under Robert's reign, and probably for most of the Targaryen reign as well. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! The most insightful comments on all subjects will be published daily in dedicated articles.

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Well, after doing some research I found out. Then, the Greyjoy Rebellion. Since 2011, Dinklage has portrayed Tyrion Lannister in the HBO series Game of Thrones (2011) . Robert's Rebellion is still fresh in their minds. Maybe it effected my subconscious mind? You can see her much more clearly (and hear her laugh at the Greatjon’s crack about southern gods) in this one. and has worked steadily in films,

Aegon III, Daeron I, and Baelor all spat upon the North when they refused to keep their end of the Pact of Ice and Fire. Yes, it was because of his bannermen, but why did they want that?
Clive Andrew Mantle (born 3 June 1957) is an English actor. Given their bad blood with the Starks, it’s possible they have aligned with the Boltons, making the North even more hostile than usual for Sansa and Theon following their escape.

Then I realized who it was that first started chanting "King in the North" - it was Greatjon Umber, 'one of Robb's most loyal bannermen'. Void where taxed, prohibited, restricted, or humor impaired. That's just what the Boltons claim.